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Thursday, September 4, 2008

GOD...any proof ?? or a fake??




Most of you will not like me after this but i have to say what i have to.Before commenting please read previous post i made on this topic along with comments( else just leave) -> Religions

A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be.

Albert Einstein

Most of what we do is governed by whether there's evidence or not to prove it's existence. We claim there are no unicorns or flying garoods because no one was proof of them. We know the world is not flat because there was no proof to prove otherwise, until someone proof was given by sailing around and circumnavigation, and much later through space exploration.It's all about what makes sense.
In the same way, there's no way to prove that God exists, the burden of proof is on those who believe in him. If he is here prove that he exists, otherwise he simply doesn't. There's no empirical evidence, without that God believers are just living in matrix.

Ok think about it for a bit. There is some "holy" being who somehow has the massive reserves of energy to create the entire universe. wow, that is so plausible. In some form or another, every civilization that we have records of, have had all forms of different gods or god. From polytheistic to monotheistic, they all believed in something that came after they died. That's all gods and religion really are, humans not wanting to believe that it will end. I'm not necessarily saying all religions are scammers or liars, except scientologists of course, just that they are natural humans giving in to natural human behavior.

some points i make :
1. If God created the universe, than the universe must be an artifact (i.e. something that was created) There is no scientific or naturalistic evidence for claim (besides faith which should really count for nothing).

2. To say that God created the universe would be to say that He is the only known uncaused cause. By that, I mean that religious faithful always claim that God has no cause, so why can an atheist not suggest that the original cosmic soup resulting in the big bang was an uncaused cause as well. Apparently God defies the scientific causal principle, and is the only known thing to have done so.

3. God is all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful and yet he permits the suffering of innocence. God knowingly, willingly, and purposely allows the suffering of innocent children on a daily and global basis. This includes, and is not limited to, Darfur, South African apartheid, the Holocaust, poverty, AIDS, the Invisible Children, and so many more. He loves these children, yet witnesses their destruction even though he is powerful enough to intervene.

4. There is no way for humans to transcend language to ascertain the omnipotence of a theistic God. All terms and explanations for God are derived from the human language and is taken as Gospel. How is it possible to transcend this human artifact (i.e. language) to ascertain that there is really a God? We cannot, it is not possible.

5. Religion is the opiate of the masses. Ignorant and close-minded fools are pacified by the "need for salvation" because men are "inherently evil". I choose to disregard these foolhardy comments and embrace the beauty of being human. Humans are naturally weak and suck at the tit of those powerful tyrants who have always oppressed them, from biblical times to the present scenario. Religion is nothing but a controlling technique that limits true empirical evidence by manipulative and harmful means. This is why religiosity yields war, and those who are stupid enough to follow are slaughtered by the thousands in the name of some higher power (God, Allah or many of the other synonyms)

On a final note, if I am incorrect and this is, after all, God's world which is a deciding factor for His eternal life, I would rather have no part of it. If the best God can create is a dysfunctional melting pot of sin, suffering and violence, than I am more than content to disown myself as a child of God. He could make all believe in Him at the drop of a hat....Why not try me then?

faith definition

here is a definition from one online dictionary
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

In a nutshell...to belief without having any evidence to justify it.

Interesting how there is a very linear correlation between education/intelligence and rejection of mythologies to explain the world. Interesting how the religious will not hesitate to take their sick loved one to a hospital for the best medical technology which is a byproduct of science and rationalism. Interesting how scripture is loaded with violence and intolerance, conveniently ignored (by most) to focus on the nice parts. Interesting that no religious leader is willing to take on the atheist intellectuals (Dawkins, Hitchens etc) in a debate.
Belief in a supernatural deity is a cultural artifact of our history; very understandable origins. It's now well past the time for it to go.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

-Epicurus

36 comments:

  1. It is a belief or faith spoon fed right from childhood. When we go grow we analyze its just an illusion. Even air, water and fire are considered god coz without them we are nothing in this world.

    If you believe in ur heart go for it, if not its always your parents and ancestors blessing we live with it.

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  2. V,

    I wonder what triggered this post.

    But you know... as mere human beings we crave to keep the faith. So we reach out to God... well let me not call it God...let me call it a Power.

    For all that we know the so-called miracles that keep happening everyday might just be our own minds playing tricks on us. Our own psychology that is working deviously. But have you ever noticed when miracles such as these happen, we human beings are awed and we feel humbled and speechless...
    Why...?
    because we are mere mortals hanging on to a thread called faith. hanging on to a thread of hope that there is actually something to place our faith upon...

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  3. i love this post. coz i love how you are able to hold you own in sth which means so much to you..how you are able to express your own thoughts, your beliefs so strongly. :)

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  4. @ priya
    illusion yeah..
    that's absolutely right.WE are brainwashed when we are small children.I believed till i was 12 then i started asking questions and seeing things clearly..after that i was never scared of anything like ghosts,evil,satans..all i fear is another human.
    i am the only person in my family who doesn't believe and i am always forced that you should go to temples or holy shrines..which i refuse straightforward.

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  5. god=religion=ignorance=control

    teach religion /control through ignorance

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  6. @ Preeti

    my thought my beliefs have triggered this post.

    consider this..
    "prince" fell in well and was saved.wow that's a miracle...
    another kid falls in this year ..he dies..that should be a miracle too eh?oh no it's not..y coz he died...lol

    it's not miracle miss...its maths.Heard about probability ever???

    we felt humbled about SUN too a few centuries ago,,but now nobody does..coz you know it's composition it's makeup.The evidence is there.

    I believe in facts not myths.As i have said before u see what u want to see...u shut-out things that u should notice and think about.
    I don't want u to be a non-believer ..i just want you to open your mind.that's all.think about it.

    at least answer one question.
    you a non-veg??you eat eggs??

    the problem here is not that ppl don't ask questions.It's that ppl just don't want to.

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  7. @ rain girl

    i believe so i will always stand up for it.
    probability is all that controls life.WE all are variables.
    you me i.

    consider vaiables as
    a variable is universe
    a variable is me
    a variable is you
    all of us are variables
    all the things around us too.

    NOw,we all know there is nothing as closed system.All systems effect each other.

    so if i do something it will effect many other variables,that might do something that will effect other variables and they do something that will effect others.You get the picture.

    so there's nothing like luck,fate,god ...
    it's all an illusion.
    prove me wrong ..i beg you too...

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  8. @ Anonymous
    whosoever you are..

    illiteracy was the reason these religions were born.
    They are like parasites eating away our society.

    Without this God beliefs..the world would be much better safer place.
    All of us are equal.This religion this divides us.

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  9. @ all above

    don't mind guys ..it's just that i have an open but questioning attitude.

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  10. A very exhaustive topic :)

    You know my thoughts on this from the comment on that other post of yours.

    It does not do to believe blindly in dogmatic faith.It's about believing as such.

    If you believe,it's there,else it's just an illusion.

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  11. it is interesting that what we call myths are actually based on scientific precepts.

    its a shame how we call ourselves the future citizens and forget the scientific logical bases and grab the 'mythical' idea hidden in profound truths and concepts and then behave foolishly by hanging on to the myths, completely forgetting the science in it.

    whom we call primitives and uncivilized are actually the originals, the natives, the humans who have lived in harmony with nature. who had befriended nature and were co-existing with her. and what are all of us so-called educated men and women doing?

    let's forget about God... if we exist, there has to be a reason for it right...?

    WHY THEN, V, DO YOU EXIST? WHY DO I EXIST?

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  12. @ sameera
    sis i know i know..already had our share of time on this.

    take care

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  13. @ preeti

    y there has to a reason??

    we are not meant to do anything..
    other than what our parents,friends,and we want to do in life.

    remember we have no evidence suggesting that we are meant to do something.

    The simple truth is--
    We were born,we will work like ur ancestors did to survive..and one day we will die too.

    why do you want to complicate things..just live each moment and njoy.
    When at my death bed i want to die knowing that i had a good life.
    No one has ever been able to prove any supernatural ghost, souls, heaven, and hell.So don't worry about that.
    Love the people who love you..i know that's what i should do.

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  14. you are absolutely right and what you just expressed comes from an individual a mono-entity perspective...

    i mean all of us are a particle of the drop that forms the ocean ... we are not even the entire drop...

    how can we even begin to speak about the hugely infinite... the greatness...we are actually very small compared to the cosmos, to the universe...

    hence what you say is absolutely correct... we are born, we will work like our ancestors did and when we die and look back on our life...we will think that yes WE HAVE LIVED LIFE WELL AND TO OUR SATISFACTION....

    :-)

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  15. //we will think that yes WE HAVE LIVED LIFE WELL AND TO OUR SATISFACTION....//

    :D cheers,,hope we stay in touch till the end miss.

    take care and live for the moment.

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  16. hey hi..........so sorry havent been around for a while... the reason is the same as usual...not internet..god knows where the download goes when i dont download a thing........


    u told me i was tagged???where????


    i hope you are doing great!

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  17. When any one says I am 'Atheist' they in their subconscious accept the existence of God. And mean that I do not believe in God.. Don't you feel Agnostic would be the appropriate term...Just curious..

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  18. @ phoenix
    welcome and hope u have the internet with u all the time now.

    loved the tag u did.

    i am back as "bhoKAAL StYLe" !

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  19. @ oxy

    agnosticism:
    form of skepticism that holds that the existence of God cannot be logically proved or disproved.

    Agnosticism is not to be confused with atheism, which asserts that there is no God.

    I know there's nothing like GOD coz theirs no proof.

    :D

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  20. Ah, ok.. got it.. Each to his own... I would like to say I am more of Agnostic than an Atheist.

    Anyways back from lunch.. Pheew!! I really took long I guess..

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  21. I can;t change your thinkin...but God does exist.

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  22. First things first, I was actually gonna read this post first hadnt that "else leave" message been sitting there !! Jeez !! You scared me !

    Anyway, now God has always been a very debated topic ! And I believe atheists are ones who actually win the arguement most times, cz their arguements are based on pure facts. Where as the believers will only talk of miracles or faith.

    Personally I find it kinda kard to believe that some kinda super power exists, who is supposed to take care of this world. If there wuold have been, things wouldnt have been the way they are.

    Then perhaps someone will counter that the evil has to be there so that ppl can see the difference n realise. To that I will say wtf is that supposed to mean ? Why kill someone if all you need to know is how killin feels ?!

    Is it really so imp or necessary at all to go thru the everyday gore ?! Anachy - chaos - murder - homeless - starvation....arent all these the proof that god doesnt exist ?

    PPL only pray to god and think perhaps there is one when smth good happens to them. The moment smth goes bad they dont wanna think of him anymore. I dont really understand all that crap.

    As for me, I really dont care whether there is a god - or there isnt - whether there should/have been a god - or there shouldnt/have been. I am not gonna wait for some non-existent figment of imagination to make things right for me.

    A very thought provoking post. I suggest you to read the post " My point of view" from this blog :

    http://ravingsofaboredboredmind.blogspot.com/


    Similar topic. Wonderfully lain down.

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  23. @ mez
    i can't change your thinking.But god doesn't exist. :D

    I do not believe in god because there is not a shred of evidence in the world. Just because a vast amount people believe in something does not make it true. People who say that god talks to them are probably confusing God with conscious thought processes. If you do some research you will find out what Iam talking about. Most religion is brought about because people are ignorant or too lazy to find things out for themselves so they just accept the cloud nine explanation. That's all well and good, but when things go bad, what do you do then? Oh...of course, it's all part of god's plan. So it was god's plan that thousands of people were to die in the twin towers incident. It was God's plan that the tsunami killed thousands of people. It was god's plan that I should decide to wake up this morning and write this on the board???? But then, no, we have free will thrown into the equation. So I am free to do whatever I want and make the choices I make but at the end of the day it's all to do with gods plan??? Doesn't sound like free will to me.

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  24. @ cinderella.
    Just because a lot of people have faith in various things does not make them true. I refuse to believe in something i do not think is true.

    reading line by line ..ok..

    hmm...ya we win coz we believe in facts.

    u find it hard to believe because u have enlightened yourself.Soon in 2-3 decades most of the world population would be like us.WE are the future.

    Anarchy - chaos - murder - homeless - starvation...prove that u are on your own.Where was god when 4 ppl raped someone in parking lot..eh? was that part of god's plan too...now these believers will say that was her fault. i say fuck off and keep your helpful god to yourself.

    The only person who can take you out of trouble is you.No amount of praying can help you.ACtions do..

    I care coz these temples,mosques,gurudwara's,church's, have all been preaching their religion and converting ppl..whether they agree or not that's what they have done all the years...and still doing it.They manipulate and disrupt what could be a peaceful environment.


    i read that link and i agree to all but the faith..it's not defined there properly

    i have agood understanding of the english language, my idea of the meaning of 'faith' is pretty much the dictionary defination (see post)
    Faith = belief, or a set of beliefs
    Faith = a belief unsupported by reason
    The act of faith is just giving up on reason and accepting whatever comes in. Once you are unreasonable i accept that you can believe in anything you want.

    take care and have a nice day.
    add me on gmail.my id is in ma profile.

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  25. When you have the fear of GOD , people believe, that there is a control on you.
    .I frankly dont knw what to say....
    read ur post carefully & have to admit u've presented ur case quite well.
    i believe in god...never seen it ...never felt it..but still do belive HIM....thats iTT!

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  26. @ Black Sabbath
    first of all..i welcome you here..
    keep comin back :)

    It seems you have been brought up as a child to believe in god and you have accepted it, WITHOUT question. I was brought up in a punjabi family and I heard all the stories from the geeta,krishan,hanumna,ram, and that god loves me, but then I grew up and learnt to think for myself. When you seriously sit down and question what you believe and look for the appropriate evidence, sadly, but amazingly you realise there is none. Only what is in your head.

    peace and have a nice day

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  27. Just wanted to drop by and say hi after you came by my blog. Please feel welcome to drop in anytime and comment freely about whatever subject.

    I've struggled with my version of faith for a very long time. I do not fit in with the overtly religious around me for several reasons with the main reason that the teaching of Jesus that I was taught as a child (brotherhood of humanity, compassion, and forgiveness to name a few) has been hugely corrupted with a strident, unforgiving, and un-compassionate dogma taking its place.

    Then again I am uncomfortable believing that Homo Sapiens are the pinnacle of the universe. As a child the late Carl Sagan taught me on television that eons ago the very elements of our bodies were created in the cores of stars long dead. That after billions of years of evolution we hairless primates gained a modest amount of intelligence to contemplate the very nature of the universe. In short he was saying we are the universe itself becoming self aware. My slate on this is that the universe is already billions of years older with the possibility that even older species have evolved to higher levels of existence and awareness. I know I have no proof, and my idle speculations are the result of having too much time on my hands but its something I like to do while sitting on the beach. Best wishes and please drop by my blog anytime.

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  28. @ beach bum

    Gods are children's blankets that get carried over into adulthood.
    --James Randi

    if you read history you'll realize that God is one of the leading causes of death...has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews, all taking turns killing each other because God told them it was a good idea.

    in the Bullshit Department, the businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell ya the truth, folks, when it comes to Bullshit, big time, major league BULLSHIT, you have to stand in awe, in awe, of the all time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: RELIGION! .... No contest, no contest!!

    //we are the universe itself becoming self aware//

    kinds like this theory...but again mate i have to believe in what we have evidence for.So until proven i remain firm on my ground.

    thanks a ton for dropping by bro.take care and have nice day

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  29. God is just fallback guy, fall guy, crutch we humans created

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  30. @ che
    so u have smelled the roses too :D

    Man created God in his image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic and violent.
    this quote summarizes it all.
    "He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave." William Drummond

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  31. May I suggest you take a look at these videos posted by a blogger John Evo on Christianity and Atheism...

    http://evolutionarymiddleman.blogspot.com/2008/08/horus-christ-and-other-ancient-myths.html#links

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  33. God does not exist. So true.
    Thank God atleast but I do ;P

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  34. @ bhawana kapoor
    god does not exist ..true..agreed
    thank god..eh??how cam i thank something that doesn't even exist. :)
    take care missy

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